Benny Hinn to Bending Spoons

cosmicchild (12:57:29 PM): did you read the article in the hindu on friday..
cosmicchild (12:57:30 PM): q
cybaba (12:57:45 PM): nope...
cosmicchild (12:57:45 PM): uoting the president of the karnataka catholics' association
cybaba (12:57:52 PM): what did it say
cybaba (12:57:58 PM): yeah...
cosmicchild (12:58:04 PM): he said that the catholics' assosciation also ..
cosmicchild (12:58:16 PM): was against benny hinn because..
cosmicchild (12:58:28 PM): he preaches that idol worship is a sin..
cosmicchild (12:58:30 PM): !!!!
cosmicchild (12:58:50 PM): and they claim it is not.. they worship the idol of jesus h christ!
cosmicchild (12:58:58 PM): had a good laught that morning
cybaba (12:59:42 PM): yes... we had pamphlets of benny hinn around bnglore that said
cybaba (01:00:00 PM): Idol Worship and Prostitution are sins...
cybaba (01:00:07 PM): what a comparison...
cosmicchild (01:00:07 PM): yeah i heard of that
cosmicchild (01:00:17 PM): inadvertnt??
cybaba (01:00:52 PM): yeah
cybaba (01:00:54 PM): sorta
cosmicchild (01:01:19 PM): your opinion on "miracles"
cosmicchild (01:01:20 PM): ?
cybaba (01:01:44 PM): he doesn't do any miracles... they are bshit!
cosmicchild (01:02:03 PM): then what of those who were healed?
cosmicchild (01:02:16 PM): "healed"
cybaba (01:02:17 PM): what healed...?
cybaba (01:02:35 PM): were their physical wounds healed...
cosmicchild (01:02:44 PM): apparently..
cybaba (01:02:49 PM): nope...
cosmicchild (01:02:55 PM): ?
cybaba (01:03:03 PM): that was something like spiritual healing...
cosmicchild (01:03:21 PM): in the blink of an eye/
cosmicchild (01:03:22 PM): ?
cybaba (01:03:49 PM): fooled public... mesmerised...
cosmicchild (01:04:37 PM): have you seen the shaolin monks..
cybaba (01:04:49 PM): where?
cosmicchild (01:04:55 PM): unfortunately..
cosmicchild (01:04:58 PM): on tv
cosmicchild (01:05:08 PM): discovery channel etc..
cosmicchild (01:05:24 PM): performing their mind over matter feats
cybaba (01:05:27 PM): nope... in the sense... are the in limelight for something...
cybaba (01:05:31 PM): yeah...
cybaba (01:05:37 PM): I have seen themm
cybaba (01:05:42 PM): the discovery one..
cybaba (01:05:56 PM): comparing them with cheetahs and hawks?
cosmicchild (01:06:10 PM): havent seen that one..
cosmicchild (01:06:29 PM): this is the one where they show off their physical skills
cybaba (01:06:48 PM): yes, have seen
cybaba (01:06:54 PM): go ahead
cybaba (01:06:58 PM): spill the beans
cosmicchild (01:06:59 PM): seen the guy from israel or something who could bend spoons?
cosmicchild (01:07:19 PM): featured him on ndtv
cybaba (01:07:33 PM): using the mind, right?
cosmicchild (01:07:48 PM): yeah. the mind. not the arm.
cosmicchild (01:07:51 PM): hehe
cybaba (01:07:55 PM): willpower...the exact term
cybaba (01:07:59 PM): is it...
cosmicchild (01:08:14 PM): "will" power?
cybaba (01:08:32 PM): I saw something... that was an experiment by some psychology professor...
cosmicchild (01:08:37 PM): ok..
cybaba (01:08:46 PM): a group of kids are sitting... around 30 kids
cosmicchild (01:08:51 PM): ok
cybaba (01:09:18 PM): and the professor gives them a fork each and says...you will try bending it with your "will power"
cosmicchild (01:09:25 PM): !
cybaba (01:09:27 PM): they kept on saying bend
cybaba (01:09:29 PM): bend
cybaba (01:09:30 PM): bend
cybaba (01:09:33 PM): for long
cybaba (01:09:41 PM): some kids couldnt do anything
cybaba (01:09:56 PM): I mean their forks stayed as is...
cosmicchild (01:10:00 PM): ok..
cybaba (01:10:11 PM): but some forks...especially two black kids...
cybaba (01:10:37 PM): were severly disfigured...which I could not have even attempted physicallt
cybaba (01:10:42 PM): y
cybaba (01:11:00 PM): It was bizarre...
cosmicchild (01:11:07 PM): sounds quite..
cybaba (01:11:41 PM): will power exists in variuos forms and shades...
cosmicchild (01:11:42 PM): what if i said that anyone can do that
cybaba (01:11:51 PM): *glint*
cybaba (01:11:54 PM): teach me
cosmicchild (01:12:04 PM): there is nothing to learn,,
cosmicchild (01:12:16 PM): i'd say there is lot to unlearn
cybaba (01:12:16 PM): I will devour every piece of cutlery at my home
cybaba (01:12:21 PM): exactly
cosmicchild (01:12:39 PM): i'm guessing you're not married yet
cybaba (01:13:22 PM): yes...
cosmicchild (01:13:25 PM): maybe the only thing that stops us from being able to do this is..
cybaba (01:13:38 PM): is it something you need a [artner for ;-)
cosmicchild (01:13:40 PM): that we "believe" that it's not possible
cosmicchild (01:13:47 PM): i'm being very simplistic of course
cybaba (01:13:53 PM): exactly
cosmicchild (01:13:55 PM): what?
cosmicchild (01:14:00 PM): devouring forks?
cybaba (01:14:21 PM): this is where our last discussion's roots are
cybaba (01:14:25 PM): isn't it?
cosmicchild (01:14:47 PM): sort of..
cybaba (01:15:05 PM): http://www.hackwriters.com/Bendingspoons.htm
cosmicchild (01:15:21 PM): you know of the spiritual pendant method
cybaba (01:15:28 PM): http://realityshifters.com/pages/articles/spoonbendingparty.html
cybaba (01:15:31 PM): nope
cybaba (01:15:33 PM): tell me
cosmicchild (01:15:36 PM): to get answers from the energy around you (god?)
cosmicchild (01:15:51 PM): take a piece of thread
cosmicchild (01:15:57 PM): put a pendant on it..
cosmicchild (01:16:05 PM): anything.. preferably something personal
cybaba (01:16:10 PM): okay
cosmicchild (01:16:12 PM): suspend it from your hand
cosmicchild (01:16:19 PM): not a very long thread
cybaba (01:16:20 PM): alright
cosmicchild (01:16:27 PM): just say "show me yes"
cosmicchild (01:16:33 PM): and show me "no"
cosmicchild (01:16:47 PM): the pendant WILL move in different paths
cosmicchild (01:17:00 PM): then you ask other questions.. like anything..
cosmicchild (01:17:06 PM): can i bend spoons
cybaba (01:17:18 PM): you sound like you tried this?
cosmicchild (01:17:23 PM): and depending on how it turns.. you have your answer
cosmicchild (01:17:37 PM): and you dont have to make difficult decisions yourself
cosmicchild (01:17:39 PM): !
cosmicchild (01:17:44 PM): yeah i have tried it..
cosmicchild (01:17:52 PM): during my "spirituality" days..
cosmicchild (01:17:57 PM): and get this,,
cosmicchild (01:18:07 PM): told a disbelieveing friend about this..
cosmicchild (01:18:12 PM): taught her..
cosmicchild (01:18:25 PM): we were in a room..
cosmicchild (01:18:31 PM): told her to ask if i was in the room
cosmicchild (01:18:37 PM): and she got a yes..
cosmicchild (01:19:08 PM): slowly walked out of the room and she claims it changed paths as soon
cosmicchild (01:19:12 PM): as i walked out!
cybaba (01:19:20 PM): brrrrrr....
cosmicchild (01:19:22 PM): well welll..
cybaba (01:19:23 PM): your quivering hand must be changing directions... and the breeze from the window maybe
cosmicchild (01:19:24 PM): haha
cosmicchild (01:19:36 PM): hey.. this is experience talkin
cosmicchild (01:19:42 PM): thats why i said not a very long rope
cosmicchild (01:19:51 PM): close the toorm
cosmicchild (01:19:54 PM): turn off the fan
cosmicchild (01:20:11 PM): hold your aging hand steady..
cosmicchild (01:20:24 PM): use a metal price for thread.
cosmicchild (01:20:27 PM): whatever
cosmicchild (01:20:41 PM): why am i so defensive about this?!
cybaba (01:20:53 PM): ah...creeps...
cybaba (01:21:22 PM): I believe you... and your experience...
cybaba (01:21:39 PM): will have to try out sometime...in solitude...
cybaba (01:21:57 PM): I don;t want my room partner to start looking for another place
cosmicchild (01:22:26 PM): good idea
cosmicchild (01:22:37 PM): he/she may not be as open to the idea
cosmicchild (01:22:58 PM): maybe you should spook 'em..
cybaba (01:22:58 PM): yes... If they are open...they'll believe it's happening
cosmicchild (01:23:03 PM): act queer and ask
cosmicchild (01:23:10 PM): should i kill my roomy..
cybaba (01:23:14 PM): non-believers are good judges
cosmicchild (01:23:29 PM): different bias, that's all
cybaba (01:23:40 PM): yes
cosmicchild (01:23:55 PM): where do you stay?
cybaba (01:24:57 PM): Vijayanagar
cosmicchild (01:25:14 PM): that's far far away
cosmicchild (01:25:21 PM): work is...?
cybaba (01:25:26 PM): Wilson Garden
cosmicchild (01:26:56 PM): are you at work now?
cybaba (01:27:02 PM): yes...
cosmicchild (01:28:15 PM): if someone were to offer you the answers..
cosmicchild (01:28:24 PM): to all the questions and mysteries..
cosmicchild (01:28:51 PM): of the universe, existence, time, space, who killed jfk .. whatever..
cybaba (01:28:59 PM): who would?
cosmicchild (01:29:03 PM): would you listen to it all?
cosmicchild (01:29:13 PM): anyone, immaterial..
cybaba (01:29:46 PM): for me the future is interesting...
cosmicchild (01:29:54 PM): lets say, me
cybaba (01:29:59 PM): past fades fast
cosmicchild (01:30:10 PM): so..
cybaba (01:30:32 PM): if you are good enough to foretell what lies ahead...
cybaba (01:30:40 PM): serve the people ...
cybaba (01:30:55 PM): warn them before Tsunami's and disasters
cybaba (01:31:26 PM): if your intervention can change their destiny... why not?
cosmicchild (01:31:27 PM): ok..
cybaba (01:31:48 PM): and maybe they were destined to be intervened by your prophesies
cybaba (01:33:58 PM): i'll be right back
cosmicchild (01:34:02 PM): ok
cybaba (01:47:29 PM): back
cosmicchild (01:47:41 PM): welcome
cybaba (01:47:51 PM): thnx
cosmicchild (01:47:59 PM): welcome
cosmicchild (01:48:25 PM): thnx again?? :D]
cybaba (01:48:55 PM): nope...
cybaba (01:48:58 PM): ::)
cosmicchild (01:49:08 PM): why not? be polite baba
cybaba (01:49:21 PM): gracias
cosmicchild (01:49:28 PM): merci
cybaba (01:50:39 PM): look like in an other-worldly infinite loop
cosmicchild (01:50:47 PM): si
cosmicchild (01:50:50 PM): oui
cosmicchild (01:50:52 PM): ya
cosmicchild (01:51:08 PM): aye
cosmicchild (01:51:50 PM): enough of that
cosmicchild (01:52:19 PM): are you expereinced?
cybaba (01:52:43 PM): in?
cosmicchild (01:53:15 PM): nothin in particular.. just a jimi hendrix question..
cosmicchild (01:53:16 PM): are
cosmicchild (01:53:17 PM): you
cosmicchild (01:53:24 PM): experienced?
cybaba (01:53:26 PM): yes...
cosmicchild (01:53:51 PM): in?
cybaba (01:54:38 PM): just a jimi hendrix answer
cosmicchild (01:54:50 PM): good one..
cosmicchild (01:55:01 PM): have you been born yet and are you alive?
cosmicchild (01:55:10 PM): have you lost the keys to the kingdom
cosmicchild (01:55:11 PM): ?
cybaba (01:55:31 PM): the doors are open
cosmicchild (01:56:04 PM): are they cleansed?
cybaba (01:56:10 PM): so even if I have lost them(I don;t know for sure) I will still get in
cybaba (01:56:36 PM): inside/outside?
cosmicchild (01:57:15 PM): is everything infinite?
cybaba (01:57:57 PM): no...
cosmicchild (01:58:15 PM): then the doors have not been cleansed.
cybaba (01:58:54 PM): yet they are open...
cybaba (01:59:26 PM): for the parrot alone knows where the keys are
cybaba (01:59:56 PM): and it will reveal it only when it dies...and everything would be finite then
cosmicchild (02:00:04 PM): the bird of prey is also aware
cybaba (02:00:32 PM): there is no consumer...only nature and its rules...
cybaba (02:00:41 PM): bend some, dodge some
cosmicchild (02:00:57 PM): get hit by a few
cybaba (02:01:10 PM): if you can bend the rules... you will be infinite...
cybaba (02:01:53 PM): if you can't, the rules would be infinite...and the other counterpart finite...
cosmicchild (02:02:01 PM): wow
cosmicchild (02:02:06 PM): very true
cybaba (02:02:21 PM): finite is relative...
cosmicchild (02:02:31 PM): damned duality
cybaba (02:03:10 PM): ah good...
cybaba (02:03:21 PM): am posting this at the blog...
cybaba (02:03:27 PM): good interaction...
cybaba (02:03:41 PM): btw, you got an invite...use it mahn..
cosmicchild (02:03:58 PM): there was some problem..
cybaba (02:04:04 PM): was there?
cosmicchild (02:04:09 PM): yes
cybaba (02:04:12 PM): try it again...
cosmicchild (02:04:16 PM): ok
cybaba (02:04:16 PM): it must work
cosmicchild (02:04:33 PM): who else is on it/
cosmicchild (02:04:35 PM): ?
cybaba (02:04:37 PM): if not let me know and another invite will flow through the cleansed doors
cosmicchild (02:04:50 PM): !
cybaba (02:04:52 PM): right now only the two of us
cosmicchild (02:04:57 PM): awww
cosmicchild (02:05:18 PM): and the cleansed doors
cybaba (02:05:20 PM): I am using it as a documentation place
cosmicchild (02:05:33 PM): dont forget the parrots and the bird of prey
cosmicchild (02:05:40 PM): and the bent spoon
cybaba (02:05:49 PM): yes...
cybaba (02:06:03 PM): bye for now...too hungry...will go for lunch now
cybaba (02:06:05 PM): ciao

Cosmic Child meets cyBABA

Feroz Zaveri aka CosmicChild meets Amit Deshpande aka cyBABA from cyBABA's ryze page. And an interesting episode of several revelatory twists emerges...

anon1 (10:41:30 AM): Baba ji, pranam!
cybaba (10:41:52 AM): koun hai baalak
anon1 (10:42:50 AM): naya shishya. sachai ki khoj mein, aap ka darshan
karna chaahta hai
cybaba (10:44:10 AM): Apna naam bataao vats, aur kahaan se (kis web
page athava site se) aaye ho bolo
this guest selected screen name cosmichild
cosmichild (10:45:35 AM): kshama kijiyega, may we converse in english now?
cybaba (10:45:45 AM): Yes, definitely
cosmichild (10:45:47 AM): : )
cosmichild (10:45:52 AM): phew!
cosmichild (10:45:59 AM): saw your page off ryze
cybaba (10:45:59 AM): That's more like it.. :)
cybaba (10:46:04 AM): okay...
cybaba (10:46:14 AM): what's your ryze page?
cosmichild (10:46:24 AM): ferozzaveri
cybaba (10:47:37 AM): hmmm ....decent page I'd say
cosmichild (10:47:58 AM): you're too kind. it's quite plain!
cybaba (10:48:35 AM): yes, It is... the quotes are the most heavy elements
cosmichild (10:48:36 AM): hey, read your real virtuality article..
very interesting..
cybaba (10:48:42 AM): Good...
cosmichild (10:48:47 AM): must read in greater details after work!
cybaba (10:49:05 AM): you read it till the very end, did you? or
fluctuated in the middle...
cybaba (10:49:12 AM): hmmmm... as I presumed
cosmichild (10:50:41 AM): Who were (or are) the so-called gods?
cosmichild (10:50:59 AM): a little more stress on this would've been good
cybaba (10:51:11 AM): Yes, true...
cybaba (10:51:47 AM): I wanted this to be more generic...we all belong
to different ethnographies and pursue different beliefs
cosmichild (10:51:47 AM): Was science this sophisticated? If yes, what
happened to it? Maybe, we are kept ignorant of it.
cosmichild (10:52:04 AM): could you answer the question?
cybaba (10:52:33 AM): okay....
cosmichild (10:52:55 AM): merci..
cybaba (10:53:22 AM): do you have a hotmail (msn)login?
cosmichild (10:53:32 AM): yahoo not hotmail
cybaba (10:53:36 AM): :(
cosmichild (10:53:41 AM): oops
cybaba (10:53:50 AM): well then, let's continue the discussion here...
cosmichild (10:53:55 AM): ok
cybaba (10:54:18 AM): Assume...
cybaba (10:54:57 AM): that a group of 10-12 new borns are chained as
soon as they are born to a cieling
cosmichild (10:55:15 AM): go on..
cybaba (10:55:21 AM): and suspended from there...in a dark (pitch!) room
cosmichild (10:55:40 AM): ok
cybaba (10:55:53 AM): they stay there for a long time....how old are you?
cosmichild (10:56:20 AM): a gentleman wouldn't ask! 23
cybaba (10:57:41 AM): remove the sheath blinding you.. paraphernalia
is use to sustain these kids till they grow upto say 23-24 years
cybaba (10:57:56 AM): there bodily wastes are taken care of as well
cosmichild (10:57:57 AM): k
cybaba (10:58:27 AM): after 24 years when we people, outside the room...
cybaba (10:58:40 AM): open the doors to these guys...
cybaba (10:58:45 AM): unchain them
cybaba (10:59:03 AM): and force them to come out to the world as we
know it is...
cybaba (10:59:45 AM): They willbe blinded by the light ....they have
never been subjected to such luminosity.
cosmichild (10:59:58 AM): therefore..
cybaba (11:00:11 AM): we speak a queer language, that they do not comprehend...
cybaba (11:00:41 AM): they cannot walk, as they never used their faculties...
cybaba (11:00:58 AM): This is not what the life they have lived...
cosmichild (11:01:31 AM): ..
cybaba (11:01:50 AM): They are kept ignorant of the
possibilites....blinded and crippled by some parameters
cybaba (11:02:16 AM): Now wipe out this image...
cybaba (11:02:21 AM): imagine...
cybaba (11:02:29 AM): that somewhere a door opens.
cosmichild (11:02:40 AM): ok
cybaba (11:02:54 AM): which subjects us to witness humans that can fly...
cybaba (11:03:06 AM): for whom gravity is not 9.8
cosmichild (11:03:28 AM): ok
cybaba (11:04:03 AM): who have a vocabulary which is more
comprehensive... more sophosticated and they have technology which is
lightyears ahead of ours...
cybaba (11:04:40 AM): we have documentation, in various religions and
ethnographies...
cybaba (11:05:02 AM): or people capable of miracles...
cybaba (11:05:21 AM): miracles are things that are scientifically
inexplicable, as of now.
cosmichild (11:05:48 AM): yes
cybaba (11:06:01 AM): You get the whole picture now...?
cosmichild (11:06:57 AM): gettin there..
cybaba (11:07:08 AM): okay...
cosmichild (11:07:30 AM): we could also be the ones who are ahead, waht say?
cybaba (11:08:14 AM): There are mysterious people across the world...I
will give you some briefs...
cosmichild (11:08:22 AM): pls
cybaba (11:08:41 AM): There's Arnold Schwarzenneger ( umpteen times MR. Univ)
cybaba (11:08:51 AM): out of reach of a common man
cosmichild (11:08:58 AM): ?
cybaba (11:09:25 AM): There's Shakuntala Devi (who can tell you how
many leaves a tree has)
cybaba (11:09:39 AM): yet a prowess out of reach of a common man
cybaba (11:10:06 AM): then there's some lady in the phillipines who
cybaba (11:10:16 AM): is the oldest living person...
cosmichild (11:10:33 AM): are they born "gifted"?
cosmichild (11:10:54 AM): or is it chance? will? luck?
cybaba (11:11:10 AM): Bejan Daruwalla...the fortune teller...is a
celebrated astrologer, who can look into the future
cybaba (11:11:22 AM): Whatever the case...
cybaba (11:11:29 AM): they are different...
cosmichild (11:11:37 AM): yes
cosmichild (11:11:40 AM): so am i
cosmichild (11:11:43 AM): and you
cybaba (11:12:16 AM): They have some prowess/faculty that they have
excercised beyond a commoners reach...
cosmichild (11:12:18 AM): and the one armed man who just passed by my window
cybaba (11:12:20 AM): What if.....
cosmichild (11:12:31 AM): if..?
cybaba (11:13:10 AM): these all qualities (whatever you can think of,
including the political reach of Bush!) come together in a single
person?
cybaba (11:13:36 AM): Would he be considered any less than a miraculous God...?
cosmichild (11:13:39 AM): where you headed, friend?
cybaba (11:13:54 AM): I am just trying to say ...
cosmichild (11:14:04 AM): yes, if he was in a mortal frame this world
would never even begin to compare
cybaba (11:15:32 AM): You are forgetting that we believe somethings
that bring out a picture so stiff..we cannot wipe it...
cybaba (11:15:56 AM): would you not believe in your God, if he were mortal...
cybaba (11:16:24 AM): or visible/invisble, handicapped....but
spiritually very influential...
cosmichild (11:17:00 AM): well..
cybaba (11:19:58 AM): not what we have our image as...
cosmichild (11:20:07 AM): gimme a minute..
cybaba (11:20:08 AM): not what we have been fed over generations...
cosmichild (11:21:48 AM): my god is mortal
cosmichild (11:22:00 AM): he will "die" with me
cybaba (11:22:13 AM): God is just an idea...
cybaba (11:22:19 AM): to bind us...
cybaba (11:22:40 AM): all these parameters that we know as of now...
cybaba (11:23:17 AM): What if we discover that gravity is not 9.8 but 19.8
cybaba (11:23:41 AM): have we been designing our satellites with the
wrong parameters?
cybaba (11:24:18 AM): What if we come to know that changing it to 19.8
would actually reduce the drag on a space shuttle and increase the
thrust...
cybaba (11:24:32 AM): and we were blindly following and being crippled...?
cybaba (11:24:42 AM): unknowingly?
cybaba (11:24:57 AM): I know this is an overdose....
cosmichild (11:25:23 AM): because of the timing, yes
cybaba (11:25:55 AM): Okay what if I told you AIDS is a man made disease?
cybaba (11:26:03 AM): created in a laboratory?
cybaba (11:26:16 AM): and SARS was one to? a designer disease?
cybaba (11:26:51 AM): there are powers that are taking undue advantage
of our ignorance...
cybaba (11:27:04 AM): I'll be back in a minute...
cosmichild (11:27:09 AM): ok
cybaba (11:31:55 AM): back now
cosmichild (11:32:07 AM): ok
cybaba (11:32:21 AM): okay... where do stand now?
cybaba (11:32:48 AM): getting there or there?
cosmichild (11:33:41 AM): wanna say a few things before i claim to be "there"
cosmichild (11:33:53 AM): regd: the diseases..
cybaba (11:34:11 AM): go ahead///
cosmichild (11:34:18 AM): there are powers that are taking undue
advantage of our ignorance...
cosmichild (11:34:45 AM): yes of our ignnorance, and of our other
weaknesses.. especially in india
cosmichild (11:35:03 AM): if gravity were 19.8..
cosmichild (11:35:26 AM): we called it 9.8 and now we would call it 19.8
cosmichild (11:36:07 AM): all calculations come from a premise that g=9.8
cybaba (11:36:26 AM): but it is an underlying 'parameter' which is a
foundation to other intricate actions...
cosmichild (11:36:36 AM): yes
cosmichild (11:37:12 AM): one sec
cybaba (11:37:57 AM): similarly... I feel Newton merely reinvented the wheel...
cosmichild (11:38:31 AM): yeah but i'm sayin that if we realise it is 19.8..
cosmichild (11:38:53 AM): it wouldnt throw everything off balance
cosmichild (11:39:07 AM): i would still need to apply the same force
to get off my ass
cosmichild (11:39:15 AM): get it?
cybaba (11:40:06 AM): let me go around a full circle...
cybaba (11:40:18 AM): your point is valid
cybaba (11:40:20 AM): Was science this sophisticated? If yes, what
happened to it? Maybe, we are kept ignorant of it.
cosmichild (11:40:57 AM): ok
cybaba (11:41:19 AM): mebbe some natural calamity wiped out the
knowledge of gravity/// before newton...
cybaba (11:41:45 AM): the detail with which we have vahanas,
resurrection of christ, brahmaastras
cybaba (11:41:51 AM): documented
cybaba (11:42:04 AM): could not be a mere concoction/
cybaba (11:42:48 AM): then again...an apple helped newton, bring out a
long lost idea...
cybaba (11:43:15 AM): if the Tsunami would have wiped the human race...
cybaba (11:43:26 AM): only save a few
cosmichild (11:43:28 AM): go on..
cosmichild (11:43:35 AM): who didnt know of 9.8
cybaba (11:43:44 AM): exactly
cybaba (11:43:49 AM): Bingo!
cybaba (11:44:07 AM): or better than that...
cybaba (11:44:54 AM): It's like leaving my kid onthe road to figure
out how well he can cope up with life himself
cybaba (11:45:35 AM): mebbe the intellectuals/the scientists are
watching us from someewhere..and wondering how wonderfully or
bizarredly we are developing
cybaba (11:46:27 AM): It's like watching a kid learn to come across a
fruit (not knowing it's an apple) and calling it zoozoo...
cybaba (11:46:35 AM): because he can identify with that...
cybaba (11:46:58 AM): for us learned people this zoozoo could be an apple...
cybaba (11:47:41 AM): and for those watching us, It could be
seincromatica bulgobatafico
cybaba (11:47:53 AM): getting the picture?
cosmichild (11:48:00 AM): yeah!
cybaba (11:49:05 AM): So the chances are either we are kept ignorant/
or they intelectuals are no more...leaving us out in the dark...
cybaba (11:49:24 AM): Yoga performers are practising to live longer
without food...
cybaba (11:50:02 AM): A guy from India being researched by nasa, has
not consumed anything except water and sunlight in the past 22 years?
cybaba (11:50:22 AM): We have capacities more that we know of...
cosmichild (11:50:37 AM): there are more things in heaven and earth
cosmichild (11:50:50 AM): than are dreamt of in our philosophy..
cybaba (11:52:05 AM): I usually tend to see things not as a miracle
but only on accord of scientific reasoning...
cybaba (11:52:42 AM): It was wonderful talking to you, Feroz?
cybaba (11:52:53 AM): Can I call you that?
cosmichild (11:54:00 AM): yeah
cosmichild (11:54:01 AM): ofcourse
cosmichild (11:54:08 AM): guru i!
cosmichild (11:54:11 AM): ji!
cybaba (11:54:30 AM): oh oh....you can knock that off...
cybaba (11:54:34 AM): ;)
cybaba (11:55:24 AM): but we know, as soon as we go home and are
engulfed by people who are strong believers of something...we will
have to compromise of ideas and inclinations....
cybaba (11:55:43 AM): compromise our ideas
cybaba (11:56:02 AM): I can somehow convince my brother, and mom...
cybaba (11:56:23 AM): ButI wouldn't dare do that with my granny!
cosmichild (11:56:32 AM): :D
cosmichild (11:56:38 AM): tried with mom
cosmichild (11:56:41 AM): no luck
cosmichild (11:56:47 AM): she's addcited to god
cosmichild (11:56:49 AM): and godliness
cybaba (11:56:52 AM): you did?
cosmichild (11:56:56 AM): yeah
cosmichild (11:56:58 AM): many times
cybaba (11:56:59 AM): oh great!
cosmichild (11:57:21 AM): not to convert but to err. educate..
cybaba (11:57:26 AM): how long have you been inflicted by this idea,
of a different perspective of God?
cosmichild (11:59:20 AM): always been an atheist.. since i was 15
cybaba (11:59:32 AM): hmmm...
cosmichild (11:59:35 AM): at that time being muslim was inconvenient
cosmichild (11:59:47 AM): prayers.. no alcohol etc..
cybaba (11:59:55 AM): I understand...
cybaba (12:00:22 PM): I don't like the hypocritical approach our
religions can take...
cosmichild (12:00:25 PM): at about 18... after a whole lotta
cosmology.. was finally convinced
cosmichild (12:00:33 PM): the evidence is out there!
cybaba (12:01:44 PM): What evidence?
cosmichild (12:03:26 PM): are you serious/
cosmichild (12:03:28 PM): ?
cybaba (12:04:19 PM): What serious? about what?
cosmichild (12:04:52 PM): are you asking me what evidence is out there..
cybaba (12:05:06 PM): yes...
cosmichild (12:05:16 PM): when i'm sayin that my understanding of a
"personal god" came after ..
cybaba (12:06:32 PM): go ahead...
cosmichild (12:08:08 PM): realising the immensity of the universe..
cosmichild (12:08:23 PM): a very basic fact, yes.. but to the un-initiated..
cosmichild (12:08:40 PM): who only knew to believe in this "dude" out
there who made "us"
cosmichild (12:09:14 PM): it kinda hit me like the proverbial
"sicilian thunderbolt"
cybaba (12:09:31 PM): hmm...
cybaba (12:09:48 PM): I am all ears...
cosmichild (12:09:52 PM): the laws that create our understanding of
it.. einstein, newton, planck, bohr,
cosmichild (12:10:06 PM): were more "god" than Allah
cosmichild (12:10:17 PM): who i'd never "met" like einstein
cosmichild (12:10:31 PM): never heard.. like bohr
cosmichild (12:10:43 PM): but was asked to understand not believe
cosmichild (12:10:58 PM): commanded respect not demanded
cosmichild (12:11:03 PM): etc etc
cybaba (12:11:21 PM): *ponders*
cybaba (12:11:55 PM): go on
cosmichild (12:11:56 PM): scientific evidence in terms of evolution..
quantum physics, etc
cosmichild (12:13:24 PM): also workin, so kinda slow..
cybaba (12:13:36 PM): same here...
cosmichild (12:13:53 PM): this kinda realisation led to ahem.. "spirituality"..
cosmichild (12:14:03 PM): yogananda etc.
cosmichild (12:14:07 PM): !
cosmichild (12:14:15 PM): therefore am called cosmic child
cybaba (12:14:19 PM): I see...
cybaba (12:14:39 PM): interesting...
cosmichild (12:15:11 PM): cigarette break..
cosmichild (12:15:17 PM): will chat if you still around
cybaba (12:15:34 PM): but if this is a concocted world...like an
aquarium...as vast as an ocean
cybaba (12:15:57 PM): we are fooling ourselves to believe the corals
are for real
cosmichild (12:15:59 PM): but before i go.. lemme mention a few other
biggies.. nietschze, russel.. influences
cosmichild (12:16:10 PM): in a while..
cybaba (12:16:13 PM): hmmm...
cybaba (12:16:19 PM): Okay...
cybaba (12:16:37 PM): you mind if I put this conversation to the public?
cybaba (12:17:03 PM): they will get something to ponder...
cosmichild (12:17:24 PM): er... public is?
cybaba (12:17:35 PM): on a web page...
cybaba (12:17:46 PM): and maybe my ryze page...
cybaba (12:17:56 PM): and to like minded people via email...
cosmichild (12:18:23 PM): yeah ok.. just seems a little disconnected..
cosmichild (12:18:29 PM): anyways.. so much for linear thought!
cybaba (12:18:49 PM): hehe... the way the mind wanders...
cosmichild (12:21:18 PM): yeah..
cosmichild (12:21:30 PM): read herman hesse?
cybaba (12:22:16 PM): I am like a painter to doesn't want to follow
somebody's style...
cybaba (12:22:51 PM): haven't read...but I would like to first have
rigid ideas about my concepts so they remain undeterred, to any
influence
cosmichild (12:23:12 PM): one of those, eh?
cosmichild (12:23:28 PM): i know what that must feel like..
cosmichild (12:23:55 PM): the number of times, i though i had an
"original" thought.. then realised it was borrowed..
cosmichild (12:23:58 PM): aaaarrrggghhhh
cybaba (12:24:09 PM): happens....
cosmichild (12:24:15 PM): btw, there is no such thing as "original thought"
cosmichild (12:24:20 PM): what say?
cosmichild (12:24:24 PM): ahe!
cosmichild (12:24:26 PM): ahem!
cybaba (12:24:36 PM): They are just like domain names, I'd say...
cybaba (12:25:03 PM): you get a woderful idea to commercialise and
brnad something...it's already there...
cosmichild (12:25:08 PM): and not just coz i said i didnt have any, ok?!
cybaba (12:25:58 PM): I know, actually It is a relief, a pleasure
talking to a untied soul like you...
cybaba (12:26:40 PM): To be frank you and I are undeterred by any
religious and communal fluctuations
cybaba (12:26:46 PM): you second that?
cosmichild (12:27:19 PM): yes
cosmichild (12:27:41 PM): i dont know about being untied..
cosmichild (12:27:48 PM): different.. chains..
cosmichild (12:28:03 PM): just that we chose ours and understand why
cosmichild (12:28:24 PM): dont secretly hate them and yet take comfort
and refuge from them
cosmichild (12:28:41 PM): you dig/
cosmichild (12:28:43 PM): ?
cybaba (12:29:10 PM): All I know is if there's a God, he would not
discriminate between the one who prays an hour a day and one who prays
5 hours
cybaba (12:29:17 PM): or the one who doesn;t
cybaba (12:29:33 PM): if he is a saviour he will be unbiased
cybaba (12:30:19 PM): It's just as you said, an escape...
cybaba (12:30:50 PM): a refuge... a concept of a vacuum that you can
scream into if things are not all right...
cybaba (12:31:20 PM): and thank it when they are just fine...
cosmichild (12:32:37 PM): kinda disagree there
cybaba (12:32:54 PM): Go ahead...
cosmichild (12:33:01 PM): being god does not bar him/her from being
discriminatory
cosmichild (12:33:04 PM): all the more reason
cosmichild (12:33:27 PM): you are god.. you have created.. you expect
certain rules to be followed
cosmichild (12:33:32 PM): by the book.. if not
cosmichild (12:33:39 PM): yesh he's gotta burn!
cybaba (12:34:03 PM): that's more like a king...
cosmichild (12:34:06 PM): the fact is that one can only be judged
against another
cybaba (12:34:13 PM): but I identify with your idea...
cybaba (12:35:05 PM): If we have to finally bribe God...does he
promise us something...
cosmichild (12:35:05 PM): and not all are privileged with the same
faculties and err.. a very bangalore word.. infrastructure!
cosmichild (12:35:16 PM): does he?
cybaba (12:35:28 PM): no he doesn't
cybaba (12:36:04 PM): It is what I do that gives do waqt ki roti
cybaba (12:36:25 PM): I wont give him credit for what I am capable of...
cybaba (12:37:02 PM): If that were the case...he would also take
credit for my atheistic ideas...
cosmichild (12:37:42 PM): this is like me talkin to me
cosmichild (12:37:50 PM): i win i kiss myself
cosmichild (12:37:57 PM): i lose i kick myself
cybaba (12:38:02 PM): take would be quite a contrast...
cybaba (12:38:05 PM): exactly
cybaba (12:38:35 PM): I believe we can steer our destiny...
cosmichild (12:38:51 PM): the quran says that "he" decides who should
be given what knowledge and who understands
cosmichild (12:39:02 PM): then if i dont, its coz he dont want me to and
cosmichild (12:39:14 PM): thereffore he has damned me to burn before i was born
cybaba (12:39:24 PM): ah well...
cosmichild (12:39:29 PM): where the heck does the idea of free will fit in here?
cosmichild (12:39:42 PM): i cant believe ppl let him get away with this
cybaba (12:39:54 PM): It is something like saying ... as you sow so you reap...
cosmichild (12:40:10 PM): no it aint
cosmichild (12:40:21 PM): you talkin bout re-birth or what?
cybaba (12:40:32 PM): as good as saying... "the sun will rise in the
east, until it ceases to do so"
cybaba (12:40:42 PM): no not about re-birth...
cybaba (12:41:34 PM): All I am saying is that "what is known to all"
is put there in words...
cybaba (12:41:49 PM): and we think, just because it is there in
words,,,,it happends
cybaba (12:41:55 PM): happens
cosmichild (12:42:14 PM): ok
cybaba (12:42:23 PM): I have the capacity of comprehending and
conceptualising an idea...and I will do that...
cosmichild (12:42:33 PM): ..
cybaba (12:45:15 PM): You don't believe something is controlling your
actions, and in a way steering your destiny?
cybaba (12:45:28 PM): Neither do I?
cybaba (12:45:51 PM): As somebody said "You are what you believe."
cybaba (12:46:19 PM): and I am a non-believer, may sound an oxymoron...
cybaba (12:46:22 PM): but true
cybaba (12:48:07 PM): you still there?
cosmichild (12:48:22 PM): yes
cosmichild (12:48:51 PM): maybe you believe what you are
cosmichild (12:49:15 PM): that is you believe in ideas based on who you are
cosmichild (12:49:18 PM): or think you are
cosmichild (12:49:26 PM): i hate this believe word
cosmichild (12:49:37 PM): kinda suggests a blind faith
cybaba (12:49:44 PM): yes, I agree...
cosmichild (12:49:48 PM): i prefer "understand"
cybaba (12:49:55 PM): A mental self-image
cosmichild (12:50:17 PM): hmm
cosmichild (12:50:36 PM): maybe you will only understand an idea if
cosmichild (12:50:40 PM): you
cosmichild (12:50:43 PM): uh oh
cosmichild (12:50:52 PM): i think i am running into trouble here!
cybaba (12:51:15 PM): Also, It is limited to my intellect, my
emotional and Intellectual Quotient
cybaba (12:51:48 PM): Others with lesser EQand IQ, and greater EQ and
IQ will percieve me differently...
cosmichild (12:52:02 PM): i'm talikn about something before an
intellec comes into "existence"
cybaba (12:52:02 PM): some personalities are deep/some shallow...
cybaba (12:52:19 PM): some imbibe/ some bounce
cybaba (12:52:38 PM): go ahead...elaborate...
cosmichild (12:53:06 PM): this whole idea of why i done get certain things
cosmichild (12:53:10 PM): maths for example
cosmichild (12:53:12 PM): why?
cybaba (12:54:10 PM): our affinities...or repulsions...
cosmichild (12:54:21 PM): what makes literature easier for me to un'nderstand
cosmichild (12:54:21 PM): ?
cosmichild (12:54:21 PM): because i like it?
cybaba (12:54:57 PM): maths is a binding...is it not...It is forced
upon you as an essential corollary in the material world...
cybaba (12:55:13 PM): You definitely like it...
cybaba (12:55:27 PM): as somebody said....doing what you like is freedom...
cybaba (12:55:32 PM): liking what you do is happiness...
cosmichild (12:55:51 PM): wait up...
cosmichild (12:56:03 PM): why do i like mahs lesses
cosmichild (12:56:05 PM): lesser?
cosmichild (12:56:11 PM): because i dont get it?
cosmichild (12:56:22 PM): hey i warned you about my non-linera thinking!
cybaba (12:56:44 PM): So did Gandhi do what he liked for freedom, or
liked what he did?
cybaba (12:57:09 PM): Literature gives you a feeling of being-there...
cybaba (12:57:24 PM): comprehensional satisfaction...
cybaba (12:57:54 PM): maths is a repulsion as it does not amuse you much
cosmichild (12:58:31 PM): but what i am askin is
cosmichild (12:58:42 PM): whether i have a choice
cosmichild (12:58:48 PM): do i like it first
cybaba (12:58:55 PM): okay...
cosmichild (12:58:57 PM): or do i not get it first
cybaba (12:59:07 PM): let's put it this way...
cosmichild (12:59:16 PM): go on..
cybaba (12:59:56 PM): a kid with things strewn across in a room when
reaches out for a lot of things of different shapes and sizes...
cybaba (01:00:18 PM): could fetch and cling to a duck toy or a toy gun..
cybaba (01:01:04 PM): that is according to the kids pre-existing
affinity or subconcious likng to a particular shape or color...
cybaba (01:01:24 PM): with time...he learns maybe socially...
cybaba (01:02:16 PM): that pink is a feminine color...although, I
dislike the idea, and wearing pink shoes wouldnt be a good idea...
cybaba (01:03:45 PM): our likes
dislikes....conservativeness/uncoventional views...are basedon several
parameters..
cybaba (01:04:12 PM): If I were born in a different place....different time...
cybaba (01:04:36 PM): even wearing a pair of shoes would have been a
priviledge...forget the color
cybaba (01:05:31 PM): priority would be to struggle and figure out how
to survive...and then to come up with this string of ideas...
cybaba (01:05:41 PM): So that's it?
cosmichild (01:05:45 PM): well put
cosmichild (01:06:17 PM): that is according to the kids pre-existing
affinity or subconcious likng to a particular shape or color...
cosmichild (01:06:25 PM): this is my barrier
cosmichild (01:06:47 PM): what/where/when is pre-existing
cybaba (01:06:59 PM): not before he was born...
cosmichild (01:07:15 PM): ?
cybaba (01:07:27 PM): after he is born....his mother's scent is home...
cosmichild (01:07:51 PM): go on..
cybaba (01:07:57 PM): then the toy on his cradle is the second thing
he identifies with
cybaba (01:08:26 PM): factually...if a chick hatches near a duck...
cosmichild (01:08:36 PM): ?
cybaba (01:08:41 PM): it will consider the duck it's 'mother'
cosmichild (01:08:49 PM): ah
cybaba (01:09:00 PM): if that is the term, or savior or God...or Papa!
cybaba (01:09:17 PM): whatever their intellect and language permits
them to comprehend
cosmichild (01:09:30 PM): ok
cosmichild (01:09:50 PM): friend, gimme 5 min.
cosmichild (01:10:00 PM): ditched the cigarette last time.
cybaba (01:10:14 PM): okay...I also will get some tea...
cosmichild (01:10:18 PM): my very being shrieks for one
cosmichild (01:10:23 PM): !
cosmichild (01:10:27 PM): in a while..
cybaba (01:10:30 PM): 5 mins it is...
cybaba (01:10:41 PM): cerebral activity demands it!
cosmichild (01:11:42 PM): merci
cosmichild (01:19:39 PM): you been to pecos?
cybaba (01:23:53 PM): pecos?
cybaba (01:25:46 PM): nope
cosmichild (01:26:00 PM): ok
cybaba (01:26:10 PM): why do you ask?
cosmichild (01:26:12 PM): had many such conversations there
cybaba (01:26:20 PM): I see...
cosmichild (01:26:31 PM): the drunken stupor stimualtes the intellect!
cybaba (01:26:57 PM): I am too dangerous for liquer, I realised
cybaba (01:27:09 PM): refraining as a teetotaller
cosmichild (01:27:20 PM): !!
cosmichild (01:27:27 PM): been in bangalore long?
cybaba (01:27:38 PM): about an year and more'
cosmichild (01:28:03 PM): before?
cybaba (01:28:13 PM): was at Belgaum
cybaba (01:28:27 PM): a small speck in North Karnatka
cosmichild (01:29:00 PM): ok
cybaba (01:32:44 PM): I think we have reached a cul de sac as for now...
cybaba (01:33:25 PM): maybe we could chat later when we have much more
bizarre ideas...
cybaba (01:33:37 PM): Ciao till then...
cosmichild (01:34:57 PM): yeah ok
cosmichild (01:35:04 PM): later
cybaba (01:35:18 PM): Thanks...the talk was refreshing...
cybaba (01:35:38 PM): have a nice day...
cosmichild (01:35:54 PM): : )
cosmichild (01:35:58 PM): bye
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Real Virtuality!

This is a reference to where it all started, the beginning, and probably the point of no return. Feroz Zaveri has joined in to reciprocate his ideas for the same...